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Charter 08 (English Version)

Translated from the Chinese by Perry Link

The following text of Charter 08, signed by hundreds of Chinese intellectuals and translated and introduced by Perry Link, Professor of Chinese Literature at the University of California, Riverside, will be published in the issue of The New York Review dated January 15, which goes on sale on January 2.
—The Editors

The document below, signed by over three hundred prominent Chinese citizens, was conceived and written in conscious admiration of the founding of Charter 77 in Czechoslovakia, where, in January 1977, more than two hundred Czech and Slovak intellectuals formed a

loose, informal, and open association of people... united by the will to strive individually and collectively for respect for human and civil rights in our country and throughout the world.

The Chinese document calls not for ameliorative reform of the current political system but for an end to some of its essential features, including one-party rule, and their replacement with a system based on human rights and democracy.

The prominent citizens who have signed the document are from both outside and inside the government, and include not only well-known dissidents and intellectuals, but also middle-level officials and rural leaders. They have chosen December 10, the anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, as the day on which to express their political ideas and to outline their vision of a constitutional, democratic China. They intend “Charter 08” to serve as a blueprint for fundamental political change in China in the years to come. The signers of the document will form an informal group, open-ended in size but united by a determination to promote democratization and protection of human rights in China and beyond.

On December 8 two prominent signers of the Charter, Zhang Zuhua and Liu Xiaobo, were detained by the police. Zhang Zuhua has since been released; as of December 9, Liu Xiabo remains in custody.
—Perry Link
Frederick Douglass Book Prize Announcement
I. Foreword

A hundred years have passed since the writing of China’s first constitution. 2008 also marks the sixtieth anniversary of the promulgation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the thirtieth anniversary of the appearance of Democracy Wall in Beijing, and the tenth of China’s signing of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. We are approaching the twentieth anniversary of the 1989 Tiananmen massacre of pro-democracy student protesters. The Chinese people, who have endured human rights disasters and uncountable struggles across these same years, now include many who see clearly that freedom, equality, and human rights are universal values of humankind and that democracy and constitutional government are the fundamental framework for protecting these values.

By departing from these values, the Chinese government’s approach to “modernization” has proven disastrous. It has stripped people of their rights, destroyed their dignity, and corrupted normal human intercourse. So we ask: Where is China headed in the twenty-first century? Will it continue with “modernization” under authoritarian rule, or will it embrace universal human values, join the mainstream of civilized nations, and build a democratic system? There can be no avoiding these questions.

The shock of the Western impact upon China in the nineteenth century laid bare a decadent authoritarian system and marked the beginning of what is often called “the greatest changes in thousands of years” for China. A “self-strengthening movement” followed, but this aimed simply at appropriating the technology to build gunboats and other Western material objects. China’s humiliating naval defeat at the hands of Japan in 1895 only confirmed the obsolescence of China’s system of government. The first attempts at modern political change came with the ill-fated summer of reforms in 1898, but these were cruelly crushed by ultraconservatives at China’s imperial court. With the revolution of 1911, which inaugurated Asia’s first republic, the authoritarian imperial system that had lasted for centuries was finally supposed to have been laid to rest. But social conflict inside our country and external pressures were to prevent it; China fell into a patchwork of warlord fiefdoms and the new republic became a fleeting dream.

The failure of both “self-strengthening” and political renovation caused many of our forebears to reflect deeply on whether a “cultural illness” was afflicting our country. This mood gave rise, during the May Fourth Movement of the late 1910s, to the championing of “science and democracy.” Yet that effort, too, foundered as warlord chaos persisted and the Japanese invasion [beginning in Manchuria in 1931] brought national crisis.

Victory over Japan in 1945 offered one more chance for China to move toward modern government, but the Communist defeat of the Nationalists in the civil war thrust the nation into the abyss of totalitarianism. The “new China” that emerged in 1949 proclaimed that “the people are sovereign” but in fact set up a system in which “the Party is all-powerful.” The Communist Party of China seized control of all organs of the state and all political, economic, and social resources, and, using these, has produced a long trail of human rights disasters, including, among many others, the Anti-Rightist Campaign (1957), the Great Leap Forward (1958–1960), the Cultural Revolution (1966–1969), the June Fourth (Tiananmen Square) Massacre (1989), and the current repression of all unauthorized religions and the suppression of the weiquan rights movement [a movement that aims to defend citizens’ rights promulgated in the Chinese Constitution and to fight for human rights recognized by international conventions that the Chinese government has signed]. During all this, the Chinese people have paid a gargantuan price. Tens of millions have lost their lives, and several generations have seen their freedom, their happiness, and their human dignity cruelly trampled.

During the last two decades of the twentieth century the government policy of “Reform and Opening” gave the Chinese people relief from the pervasive poverty and totalitarianism of the Mao Zedong era and brought substantial increases in the wealth and living standards of many Chinese as well as a partial restoration of economic freedom and economic rights. Civil society began to grow, and popular calls for more rights and more political freedom have grown apace. As the ruling elite itself moved toward private ownership and the market economy, it began to shift from an outright rejection of “rights” to a partial acknowledgment of them.

In 1998 the Chinese government signed two important international human rights conventions; in 2004 it amended its constitution to include the phrase “respect and protect human rights”; and this year, 2008, it has promised to promote a “national human rights action plan.” Unfortunately most of this political progress has extended no further than the paper on which it is written. The political reality, which is plain for anyone to see, is that China has many laws but no rule of law; it has a constitution but no constitutional government. The ruling elite continues to cling to its authoritarian power and fights off any move toward political change.

The stultifying results are endemic official corruption, an undermining of the rule of law, weak human rights, decay in public ethics, crony capitalism, growing inequality between the wealthy and the poor, pillage of the natural environment as well as of the human and historical environments, and the exacerbation of a long list of social conflicts, especially, in recent times, a sharpening animosity between officials and ordinary people.

As these conflicts and crises grow ever more intense, and as the ruling elite continues with impunity to crush and to strip away the rights of citizens to freedom, to property, and to the pursuit of happiness, we see the powerless in our society—the vulnerable groups, the people who have been suppressed and monitored, who have suffered cruelty and even torture, and who have had no adequate avenues for their protests, no courts to hear their pleas—becoming more militant and raising the possibility of a violent conflict of disastrous proportions. The decline of the current system has reached the point where change is no longer optional.
II. Our Fundamental Principles

This is a historic moment for China, and our future hangs in the balance. In reviewing the political modernization process of the past hundred years or more, we reiterate and endorse basic universal values as follows:

Freedom. Freedom is at the core of universal human values. Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of association, freedom in where to live, and the freedoms to strike, to demonstrate, and to protest, among others, are the forms that freedom takes. Without freedom, China will always remain far from civilized ideals.

Human rights. Human rights are not bestowed by a state. Every person is born with inherent rights to dignity and freedom. The government exists for the protection of the human rights of its citizens. The exercise of state power must be authorized by the people. The succession of political disasters in China’s recent history is a direct consequence of the ruling regime’s disregard for human rights.

Equality. The integrity, dignity, and freedom of every person—regardless of social station, occupation, sex, economic condition, ethnicity, skin color, religion, or political belief—are the same as those of any other. Principles of equality before the law and equality of social, economic, cultural, civil, and political rights must be upheld.

Republicanism. Republicanism, which holds that power should be balanced among different branches of government and competing interests should be served, resembles the traditional Chinese political ideal of “fairness in all under heaven.” It allows different interest groups and social assemblies, and people with a variety of cultures and beliefs, to exercise democratic self-government and to deliberate in order to reach peaceful resolution of public questions on a basis of equal access to government and free and fair competition.

Democracy. The most fundamental principles of democracy are that the people are sovereign and the people select their government. Democracy has these characteristics:
(1) Political power begins with the people and the legitimacy of a regime derives from the people.
(2) Political power is exercised through choices that the people make.
(3) The holders of major official posts in government at all levels are determined through periodic competitive elections.
(4) While honoring the will of the majority, the fundamental dignity, freedom, and human rights of minorities are protected. In short, democracy is a modern means for achieving government truly “of the people, by the people, and for the people.”

Constitutional rule. Constitutional rule is rule through a legal system and legal regulations to implement principles that are spelled out in a constitution. It means protecting the freedom and the rights of citizens, limiting and defining the scope of legitimate government power, and providing the administrative apparatus necessary to serve these ends.
III. What We Advocate

Authoritarianism is in general decline throughout the world; in China, too, the era of emperors and overlords is on the way out. The time is arriving everywhere for citizens to be masters of states. For China the path that leads out of our current predicament is to divest ourselves of the authoritarian notion of reliance on an “enlightened overlord” or an “honest official” and to turn instead toward a system of liberties, democracy, and the rule of law, and toward fostering the consciousness of modern citizens who see rights as fundamental and participation as a duty. Accordingly, and in a spirit of this duty as responsible and constructive citizens, we offer the following recommendations on national governance, citizens’ rights, and social development:

1. A New Constitution. We should recast our present constitution, rescinding its provisions that contradict the principle that sovereignty resides with the people and turning it into a document that genuinely guarantees human rights, authorizes the exercise of public power, and serves as the legal underpinning of China’s democratization. The constitution must be the highest law in the land, beyond violation by any individual, group, or political party.
2. Separation of powers. We should construct a modern government in which the separation of legislative, judicial, and executive power is guaranteed. We need an Administrative Law that defines the scope of government responsibility and prevents abuse of administrative power. Government should be responsible to taxpayers. Division of power between provincial governments and the central government should adhere to the principle that central powers are only those specifically granted by the constitution and all other powers belong to the local governments.
3. Legislative democracy. Members of legislative bodies at all levels should be chosen by direct election, and legislative democracy should observe just and impartial principles.
4. An Independent Judiciary. The rule of law must be above the interests of any particular political party and judges must be independent. We need to establish a constitutional supreme court and institute procedures for constitutional review. As soon as possible, we should abolish all of the Committees on Political and Legal Affairs that now allow Communist Party officials at every level to decide politically-sensitive cases in advance and out of court. We should strictly forbid the use of public offices for private purposes.
5. Public Control of Public Servants. The military should be made answerable to the national government, not to a political party, and should be made more professional. Military personnel should swear allegiance to the constitution and remain nonpartisan. Political party organizations shall be prohibited in the military. All public officials including police should serve as nonpartisans, and the current practice of favoring one political party in the hiring of public servants must end.
6. Guarantee of Human Rights. There shall be strict guarantees of human rights and respect for human dignity. There should be a Human Rights Committee, responsible to the highest legislative body, that will prevent the government from abusing public power in violation of human rights. A democratic and constitutional China especially must guarantee the personal freedom of citizens. No one shall suffer illegal arrest, detention, arraignment, interrogation, or punishment. The system of “Reeducation through Labor” must be abolished.
7. Election of Public Officials. There shall be a comprehensive system of democratic elections based on “one person, one vote.” The direct election of administrative heads at the levels of county, city, province, and nation should be systematically implemented. The rights to hold periodic free elections and to participate in them as a citizen are inalienable.
8. Rural–Urban Equality. The two-tier household registry system must be abolished. This system favors urban residents and harms rural residents. We should establish instead a system that gives every citizen the same constitutional rights and the same freedom to choose where to live.
9. Freedom to Form Groups. The right of citizens to form groups must be guaranteed. The current system for registering nongovernment groups, which requires a group to be “approved,” should be replaced by a system in which a group simply registers itself. The formation of political parties should be governed by the constitution and the laws, which means that we must abolish the special privilege of one party to monopolize power and must guarantee principles of free and fair competition among political parties.
10. Freedom to Assemble. The constitution provides that peaceful assembly, demonstration, protest, and freedom of expression are fundamental rights of a citizen. The ruling party and the government must not be permitted to subject these to illegal interference or unconstitutional obstruction.
11. Freedom of Expression. We should make freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and academic freedom universal, thereby guaranteeing that citizens can be informed and can exercise their right of political supervision. These freedoms should be upheld by a Press Law that abolishes political restrictions on the press. The provision in the current Criminal Law that refers to “the crime of incitement to subvert state power” must be abolished. We should end the practice of viewing words as crimes.
12. Freedom of Religion. We must guarantee freedom of religion and belief and institute a separation of religion and state. There must be no governmental interference in peaceful religious activities. We should abolish any laws, regulations, or local rules that limit or suppress the religious freedom of citizens. We should abolish the current system that requires religious groups (and their places of worship) to get official approval in advance and substitute for it a system in which registry is optional and, for those who choose to register, automatic.
13. Civic Education. In our schools we should abolish political curriculums and examinations that are designed to indoctrinate students in state ideology and to instill support for the rule of one party. We should replace them with civic education that advances universal values and citizens’ rights, fosters civic consciousness, and promotes civic virtues that serve society.
14. Protection of Private Property. We should establish and protect the right to private property and promote an economic system of free and fair markets. We should do away with government monopolies in commerce and industry and guarantee the freedom to start new enterprises. We should establish a Committee on State-Owned Property, reporting to the national legislature, that will monitor the transfer of state-owned enterprises to private ownership in a fair, competitive, and orderly manner. We should institute a land reform that promotes private ownership of land, guarantees the right to buy and sell land, and allows the true value of private property to be adequately reflected in the market.
15. Financial and Tax Reform. We should establish a democratically regulated and accountable system of public finance that ensures the protection of taxpayer rights and that operates through legal procedures. We need a system by which public revenues that belong to a certain level of government—central, provincial, county or local—are controlled at that level. We need major tax reform that will abolish any unfair taxes, simplify the tax system, and spread the tax burden fairly. Government officials should not be able to raise taxes, or institute new ones, without public deliberation and the approval of a democratic assembly. We should reform the ownership system in order to encourage competition among a wider variety of market participants.
16. Social Security. We should establish a fair and adequate social security system that covers all citizens and ensures basic access to education, health care, retirement security, and employment.
17. Protection of the Environment. We need to protect the natural environment and to promote development in a way that is sustainable and responsible to our descendents and to the rest of humanity. This means insisting that the state and its officials at all levels not only do what they must do to achieve these goals, but also accept the supervision and participation of non-governmental organizations.
18. A Federated Republic. A democratic China should seek to act as a responsible major power contributing toward peace and development in the Asian Pacific region by approaching others in a spirit of equality and fairness. In Hong Kong and Macao, we should support the freedoms that already exist. With respect to Taiwan, we should declare our commitment to the principles of freedom and democracy and then, negotiating as equals, and ready to compromise, seek a formula for peaceful unification. We should approach disputes in the national-minority areas of China with an open mind, seeking ways to find a workable framework within which all ethnic and religious groups can flourish. We should aim ultimately at a federation of democratic communities of China.
19. Truth in Reconciliation. We should restore the reputations of all people, including their family members, who suffered political stigma in the political campaigns of the past or who have been labeled as criminals because of their thought, speech, or faith. The state should pay reparations to these people. All political prisoners and prisoners of conscience must be released. There should be a Truth Investigation Commission charged with finding the facts about past injustices and atrocities, determining responsibility for them, upholding justice, and, on these bases, seeking social reconciliation.

China, as a major nation of the world, as one of five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, and as a member of the UN Council on Human Rights, should be contributing to peace for humankind and progress toward human rights. Unfortunately, we stand today as the only country among the major nations that remains mired in authoritarian politics. Our political system continues to produce human rights disasters and social crises, thereby not only constricting China’s own development but also limiting the progress of all of human civilization. This must change, truly it must. The democratization of Chinese politics can be put off no longer.

Accordingly, we dare to put civic spirit into practice by announcing Charter 08. We hope that our fellow citizens who feel a similar sense of crisis, responsibility, and mission, whether they are inside the government or not, and regardless of their social status, will set aside small differences to embrace the broad goals of this citizens’ movement. Together we can work for major changes in Chinese society and for the rapid establishment of a free, democratic, and constitutional country. We can bring to reality the goals and ideals that our people have incessantly been seeking for more than a hundred years, and can bring a brilliant new chapter to Chinese civilization.

—translated from the Chinese by Perry Link


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By Noelnada
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Sounds like a good idea to me. But since the Chinese elites suffer from a syndrome of "besieged citadel", i doubt they see this as a good development but rather see the hand of evil foreigners trying to destabilize the country (which some of course do).
By liberalgirl
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Not all Chinese think that way, only a small number of brain-washed people think democracy is bad for China. But you are right, the party doesn't want to give up the power to change the country for good.
By Cold
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Sounds about right.
Still a state without democracy doesn't have to be a bad thing.
The key thing is to have leaders who are not corrupt.
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By HoniSoit
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I see some familiar names.

Many of them are prominent liberals and scholars associated the democratic movements of the past.

I think their intention and courage deserve respect but their views of 'Communism' in China and socialism in general are often somewhat distorted and misconceived. This is not surprising considering the fact that intellectuals have come under harsh repression and discipline during the Mao era - which, I would argue, have heavily shaped the way they look at modern Chinese history, and their liberal outlooks have often limited their focus almost solely on the formal rights (freedom of expression etc.) at the neglect of a more sophisticated social and economic analysis of society.

Of course, no one could blame them for that and I'm sure their almost single-minded call for formal rights have contributed greatly to building a more humane society that respect individual rights. But they are essentially the liberals of late 19th and early 20th century Europe and America who will find their analysis inadequate confronting the 'social question' of today's China.
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By Noelnada
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Schemata of developmental rationalizations

Socialist economics

Central planning

Class struggle

'Politics in command'

Revolutionary ideology

Neo-classical economics

Individual self-interest

Economic rationality

Homo economicus

Technical skills

Asian corporatism

Collective individualism

Utilitarian personalism

Patria economicus

State-mobilized learning


Source : Hegemony and the Internationalizing State: A Post-Colonial Analysis of China's Integration
into Asian Corporatism
Author : L. H. M. Ling

I'm not sure this schemata can contribute to the debate, but my opinion is that China is using authoritarism in order to catch up with the Western world in term of "power", this looks like a double edged sword, since this could trigger a situation of instability that could wipe all the benefits from the last century and send back China into a state of dependency towards Western powers.
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By HoniSoit
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I agree with you, noel.

authoritarism


It should be understood that the authoritarianism in China enjoyed and is enjoying popular supports - communist authoritarian regimes, too, govern through both coercion and consent. This is not to either justify or excuse it but it should be recognised the substantial improvement under the authoritarian regime both under Mao and after his death.
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By Harmattan
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I think every westerner will express solidarity with this text. Unfortunately, the Chinese government does not see things in that way :
Repression against 08 Charter signatories grows

Unfortunately, this charter and this repression got only weak echoes in the western press. In my own country, I only saw one article in my usual newspaper and heard a few minutes about it in a radio emission dedicated to international questions.

For countries pretending to support human rights in China, wouldn't it be better for us to support the ones fighting for them from the inside rather than appearing as lessons givers when we officially meet those governments, risking to awake a misplaced patriotism ? I don't know enough about those problems to have any certitude but, well...
By liberalgirl
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The popularity of Chinese government has been greatly decreased by the poisonous milk powder and corruptive officers, the people who support government are mostly brain-washed students and government officers.
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By Noelnada
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The popularity of Chinese government has been greatly decreased by the poisonous milk powder and corruptive officers, the people who support government are mostly brain-washed students and government officers.


Replace Chinese by another name such as American or Belgian and poisonous milk powder with something more locally specific and you'll get a statement that apply to any government in the world. We are heading towards a global period of unstability, there is no doubt about that.
By liberalgirl
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This Charter will not change the Chinese government totally with a new system and party, but to put pressure on the government to make some sort of political reform, bring more democracy and freedom to people.
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By Noelnada
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I hope so liberalgirl. Nobody like to see a people suffering under an authoritarian (or liberal) rule.
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By HoniSoit
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The popularity of Chinese government has been greatly decreased by the poisonous milk powder and corruptive officers, the people who support government are mostly brain-washed students and government officers.


To be honest, I don't think that's the case. Sure there are widespread discontent and social unrests are on the rise - but there have been little fundamental challenge to the communist rule; instead, the unrests are mostly centered on local issues and directed at local officials. However, this is likely to change with the economic downturn as noel alluded to that would have its full impact felt in China next year.

I also think it's mistaken to think whoever support the government must be brain-washed. In fact, state indoctrination about how wonderful they are is rarely effective which is testified by the cynicism you will encounter everywhere. Like I said, while I'm sure no one likes it, but there are still quite stable popular support for the communist government which won't be shaken just by a couple of scandals.

For countries pretending to support human rights in China, wouldn't it be better for us to support the ones fighting for them from the inside rather than appearing as lessons givers when we officially meet those governments, risking to awake a misplaced patriotism ?


The press is generally more concentrated on official Chinese government policies e.g. the RMB 4 trillion stimulus package got far more coverage than anything else apart from some of the national scandals.

On a governmental level, I'd argue Western governments would probably prefer the current communist regime than the uncertainty and instability the fall of the CCP would necessarily bring. Moreover, the communist government has been quite effective, perhaps more so than would any liberal government does, in suppressing the organised labor (which is all subordinated under the all-china federation of labor outside of which no independent union is tolerated), and creating stable and favorable conditions for investment.
By DarkInsight
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The ultimate question comes down to whether the government willing to step down and share its power, which I seriously doubt.

The PRC doesn't just "use" authoritarianism,they enjoy and benefits from it.We cannot trust any government to release power willingly and spontaneously without a complete system to demand it doing so.

The biggest problem of Chinese democracy reform movement is that their people are actually leading a generally wealthier life than before. And this in turn decrease the eagerness for a social reform.
By liberalgirl
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The press is generally more concentrated on official Chinese government policies e.g. the RMB 4 trillion stimulus package got far more coverage than anything else apart from some of the national scandals.

On a governmental level, I'd argue Western governments would probably prefer the current communist regime than the uncertainty and instability the fall of the CCP would necessarily bring. Moreover, the communist government has been quite effective, perhaps more so than would any liberal government does, in suppressing the organised labor (which is all subordinated under the all-china federation of labor outside of which no independent union is tolerated), and creating stable and favorable conditions for investment.

It's sad some western countries only focus on the economic benefit from China, to get more money the Chinese government and western companies united together to squeeze each penny from poor Chinese workers. The poorest Chinese suffer most in this authoritarian system. Also the environment has been destroyed so much after Chinese economy growing, there are more forest been destroyed during recent 30 years than last 5000 years in China. And the impacts of the damaging environment not only effect China but also global, please see the link as below: http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multiling ... =5978&l=en

And if all government think economy is more important than human rights, whether western government would ignore people's basic needs and leading their people become more greedy and ignorant? Where is the basic value and faith?
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By Harmattan
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For a moment, let's leave the economical cynical view apart (too simple for me anyway). Let's also ignore the prisoner's dilemma problem (if I am alone to pressure China, I am going to lose everything while not changing anything).

So, our governments know what they have today : a Chinese government, far to be their easiest interlocutor and with its own agenda. But, now,what if this government disappear ? Three possibilities :
* If a democracy comes, it would probably be easier for the West, both politically (because Chinese people would be better informed) and economically (Chinese laws and regulations are often interpreted or adapted to favor national corporations, a Rechtsstaat is better for foreign businesses) and it is doubtful the labor costs would increase faster than today (8% per year).
* No democracy happens and another authoritarian government appears. Obviously, it could be far worse than today : the Chinese economy could crumble, creating string instabilities for a few years, this government could have strong military ambitions. It could be worse both for Chinese people and for world stability.
* China explodes, most of the previous arguments still apply, apart from the military ambitions. Only advantage for the West : China won't become a superpower and bother them.

Whether it is for economical or human considerations, there are reasons to explain West's behaviours. Actually, regarding authoritarian regimes in the world, I tend to think that, as long as a government does quite a good job to increase its inner wealth, education and health, it's better to only exerts a smooth pressure regarding human rights, insists on a few precise points and, more importantly, prepare the future, for once the current regime will no longer exist, through the creation of a Rechtsstaat for example. The history is full of authoritarian regimes which have been replaced by worst ones which cannot even manage to do a proper management job. Iraq is good example : it was a terrible regime with a lot of political prisoners. But, at least, before the Iran war, it also had good health and education indicators. It could have been useful to prepare a good future for Iraqis. Now, who knows what will happen to this country.

However, I admit I am not knowledgeable enough on those points (democracy's prerequisites, authoritarian regimes' working, etc) to be sure it's the good thing to do and it's a harsh moral question. Besides, it could be assimilated to neocolonialism (deciding for other people), one can argue our governments cannot predict how things will evolve, etc.
By DarkInsight
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The simple fact is, many governments and corporations hate to see PRC crumbling/evolving and the ominous outcome it could bring.

They just want to make money,that's all. Any forms of changes or reforms will bring unstability, no matter how smooth or brief it is. Why would those who are profiteering from their investment and relationship with PRC wish for a change?After all, democracy doesn't make money.
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By Harmattan
#1728764
Yeah, yeah, political and economical leaders are just monsters greedy for money. That makes sense. :roll:
Besides, as I said, even if it was only for money, a democracy would ultimately be better for our corporations.
By liberalgirl
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The authoritarian government could make China become much more unstable than the democratic government in the long run
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