- 06 Jan 2022 09:31
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We were talking about public discussion and not private discussion, so news, media, large social media locations and the likes and NOT PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS. I no doubt agree that people complain and discuss it in private or in small circles on social media and thank you for bringing this up. That is how it works in censored/authoritarian countries but these private discussion doesn't affect any policy change because the CCP is unsupervised and beholden only to itself. This system more or less existed even before Social Media or modern times. Do you think that people in the Soviet Union were some braindead zombies that didn't complain or discuss anything in private or something? Of course they did!
I do not think that any nation is hopeless to change; however, I think that some nations do require a lot more effort than others to become changed. - Verv
Fasces wrote:The National Bureau of Statistics provides this information quarterly, including a breakdown of household income, disposable income, tax burden, and Gini coefficient.
Peruse at your leisure - sections 4 and 6.
http://www.stats.gov.cn/english/Statist ... nnualData/
To be frank - because Chinese people don't care. There were criticisms against CPC policy on the Hong Kong protests: asking why the PLA didn't just roll in tanks and end the spoiled brats immediately. There are public questions about Xinjiang: asking the CPC why they bother coddling Muslims and why, with so many terrorists in the region anyway, are the CPC importing Pakistani students to universities by the boatload? Even some of my Chinese friends that are feminist, anti-Xi, pro-liberal, pro-capitalist can make some offhand remarks that would make MAGA redhat chauvanists blush. They are not pro-Western, and neither would a liberal democratic China be pro-Western.
You confuse your system of values with a universal system of values. Most Chinese people overwhelmingly support, and most importantly, trust their government - even Western polling organizations like Pew realize this - so their criticism is mainly rooted in minor things you consider to be inconsequential: but the criticism does remain. China has tens of thousands of protests annually, a world leader in them in actuality - but they're all regarding issues the Chinese themselves consider actually important and practical, and which you dismiss as minor and meaningless.
Fundamentally, to most Chinese, the question of "freedom of the press" is far more insignificant and meaningless than organizing a protest regarding air quality, or preventing a new power relay from going up in their community. This is something you would understand if you would ever even try to communicate honestly with Chinese people - you claim to understand and speak to their needs but refuse this simple step of engagement.
They do. Shit like the ban on tattoos, limits on video games or the anti "femboy" crap gets laughed out of the room as the backwards ideology of some conservative Cultural Revolution septagenerians in Beijing. The citizens don't care and the local government rarely bothers to enforce it, and when they do, it is criticized. Aspects of economic policy that concern Chinese, like the arbitrary nature of the Chinese stock market or the ban on tutor education is actively mocked and criticized in private and on Chinese social media.
Get off your high horse and go actually talk to these people you claim to speak for.
We were talking about public discussion and not private discussion, so news, media, large social media locations and the likes and NOT PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS. I no doubt agree that people complain and discuss it in private or in small circles on social media and thank you for bringing this up. That is how it works in censored/authoritarian countries but these private discussion doesn't affect any policy change because the CCP is unsupervised and beholden only to itself. This system more or less existed even before Social Media or modern times. Do you think that people in the Soviet Union were some braindead zombies that didn't complain or discuss anything in private or something? Of course they did!
I do not think that any nation is hopeless to change; however, I think that some nations do require a lot more effort than others to become changed. - Verv